June 15, 2010

G66: Red Sox 6, Diamondbacks 3

Diamondbacks - 100 200 000 - 3  8  0
Red Sox - 203 010 00x - 6 11 1
Example
Ian Kennedy / Clay Buchholz
Nava, LF
Pedroia, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Youkilis, 1B
Martinez, C
Drew, RF
Beltre, 3B
Hall, SS
Cameron, CF
PA reports that Daniel Nava will leadoff tonight. Bill Hall will play shortstop as Marco Scutaro had a "procedure" on his neck yesterday (according to Terry Francona) to help with his pinched nerve.

Kennedy has pitched quite well for Arizona, allowing three or fewer earned runs in 11 of his 13 starts. Since May 1, he has a 2.42 ERA in eight starts (52 innings). However, Kennedy has allowed 14 home runs -- only three pitchers have given up more.

Although Kennedy worked in 14 games for the Yankees in 2007-09, he has never pitched against Boston. The only Red Sox batter he has ever faced is Victor Martinez (one single in three PA on April 26, 2008).

Buchholz has the 4th best AL ERA and is at 2.42 over his last six starts. He has never faced anyone currently on the Snakes.

Elsewhere, 7 PM:
Yankees/Racist Team Name #1
Phillies/Yankees
Rays/Racist Team Name #2
Tampa Bay and New York are tied for first at 40-23, with Boston at 37-28, 4 GB.
Example
June 15:

1902 - Corsicana routs Texarkana 51-3. The Texas League game was played in a ballpark with either very short fences (about 200-210 to right) or no fences at all. Most accounts state that Corsicana hit 21 home runs, with catcher Justin "Nig" Clarke hitting eight of them -- in eight consecutive at-bats. (Or maybe Clarke hit only three dongs.) Some telegraph operators, thinking the final score was a typo, reported it as 5-3.

1928 - Ty Cobb steals home for the 54th and final time in his 24-year career.

1938 - Cincinnati's Johnny Vander Meer pitches his second consecutive no-hitter, defeating the Dodgers 6-0, in the first night game played at Ebbets Field. On June 11, Vander Meer no-hit the Boston Braves, 3-0.

1976 - Oakland owner Charlie Finley sells Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox (and sells Vida Blue to the Yankees). Three days later, Commissioner Asshole Bowie Kuhn voids both deals, saying they are "not in the best interests of baseball".

124 comments:

tjd said...

Aren't the Yankees are playing the Phillies tonight? (The Mets are playing Cleveland.)

Jason said...

What's racist about the Phillies?

tim said...

MFY facing Philly tonight, thats the Mets BR ;)

As per my promise in the previous gamethread, I'm reposting this awesome video for all to enjoy. [Sound is NSFW]

Angry Steve said...

A "Philly" is a racial team name?

redsock said...

And here I didn't anyone paid attention to those other game links.

redsock said...

I see that B-Ref lists them one after the other and they are both on the AL schedule side of the page. Oh well.

L-girl said...

What's racist about the Phillies?

Now if you had asked, What's racist about Philadelphia...

redsock said...

Johnson, 2B
Drew, SS
Reynolds, 3B
LaRoche, 1B
Montero, C
Young, CF
Upton, RF
Abreu, DH
Parra, LF

L-girl said...

Ok everybody, refresh your screens, it's been corrected!

redsock said...

Cafardo: "Don Orsillo has returned to the NESN booth after a bout with vertigo."

Amy said...

Wow, vertigo kept him out all those days? I had a small case of that after flying in March---made me not want to fly again (not that I ever want to fly).

Who is it on the team who gets vertigo? Drew?a

tjd said...

Am I reading too much into it, or is that Cafardo piece aimed straight at Jacoby Ellsbury?

redsock said...

it is probably never wrong to assume other messages in boston sports coverage.

redsock said...

wow - don just said "ops"

redsock said...

QUADRANGULAR!!!

L-girl said...

Large father dong!!!!

Zenslinger said...

Ha HA! Rotund Round-tripper!

redsock said...

jim joyce is probably glad both teams have hits now.

redsock said...

NICE recovery from Yook and quick hustle from HH!!!!

redsock said...

rays in a "weather delay" -- ??

redsock said...

"bill of the cap high" - !!

RedSoxDiehard said...

Laser show!

Angry Steve said...

PHI 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
MFY 0 2 3 5 5 0

L-girl said...

"Fair amount of time for Clay Buchholz to be on the bench"

Fair amount of time?? Don, you're losing it!

redsock said...

i thought those mfy #s were all innings, but they are not

PHI - 000 3*
MFY - 023

phils still batting (i think)

Zenslinger said...

Extra Cheese gets out of the inning giving up only 3. 5-3 Yanks.

Zenslinger said...

After beating the crap out of us, the Big Donkey's given up 5 in the fifth inning to the Mets.

L-girl said...

Extra Cheese :)

redsock said...

Red Sox mgmt. are slipping. MFY and FKR have the same record, but the standings on the Wall have MFY listed first. They usually put NY on the bottom when they are tied with another team.

Pepe Lepew said...

Allo?

I heard some basketball game is starting soon. Hah!

Pepe Lepew said...

We heard the Papi home run on XM...

And I really like the Primus during the commercial breaks!

L-girl said...

Don & Jerry ragging on the Marlins idea of using fish behind the plate - wish they would mention the Stingrays swimming in a barren tank in Tampa Bay.

RedSoxDiehard said...

Makes me worry what the racistly-named teams are gonna display behind home plate.

L-girl said...

Oo, that doesn't bear thinking about, does it!

Pepe Lepew said...

I'm Metis, and the name "Indians" doesn't really bug me that much.

I hate that little fucker on the hat, tho'

We OK?

redsock said...

we're fine -- but don't rub my head.

L-girl said...

Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not racist. The picture is also highly offensive.

It's not the word Indians in itself that's offensive, it's using the name of a people as a team nickname. Would you ever see a team named The Jews? (For example.)

redsock said...

FY - 3 runs scored

L-girl said...

Good cartoon about it here on my blog (scroll down).

Zenslinger said...

Do you think Youk sweated a lot as a newborn?

Amy said...

Evening, threaders. Just getting home from another evening out. I see we are ahead.

redsock said...

Do you think Youk sweated a lot as a newborn?

That's how he learned to swim -- in his crib.

Pepe Lepew said...

Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not racist. The picture is also highly offensive.

I hear you, but I liken it to "Chippewas" or "Seminoles," which the Chippewas and Seminoles have given their OK for. That being said, I cannot believe that in 2010, they are still using that @#$%ing logo. Jeez, just use the old "C" or ... anything.

L-girl said...

9 pm and still light out. Wish we could watch baseball outside.

L-girl said...

Some Chippewas and Seminoles have given their ok, but many many many native people still hate it and protest it.

Why are all the racist team logos Native names? No one would dare use any other people that way.

With respect, I have to say that just because you're Metis and it doesn't bother you, doesn't make it okay. Especially in the US, given the history. Bad in Canada, but waaaay worse there.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Hi All, I just got home too. Very excited to have a package from Amazon waiting for me. It is the boxed set of five books in the Wrinkle in Time series. I read Wrinkle last weekend, but my books are so old they are falling apart. I didn't know there were five in the series. So, I have two new ones to read!

Go Sox, Keep it up.

Amy said...

Nice cheer for HH.

L-girl said...

Cool package! Enjoy. :)

Amy said...

Very cool, MrsG---I should reread all my childhood favorites again. I did read them to my kids, but even that was eons ago.

Pepe Lepew said...

Some Chippewas and Seminoles have given their ok, but many many many native people still hate it and protest it.

Why are all the racist team logos Native names? No one would dare use any other people that way.

With respect, I have to say that just because you're Metis and it doesn't bother you, doesn't make it okay. Especially in the US, given the history. Bad in Canada, but waaaay worse there.


Actually, I think the real issue here is you abolutely, positively have to "win" every discussion, which I've watched for a couple of years now.
Later, overly PC white woman.....

Mrs.GotRibe said...

If you notice my avatar, it is the new logo of my college: William & Mary. We used to be the Indians, appropriately named as we used to be a school for Native Americans. We changed the name to Tribe many years ago, anticipating PC stuff. Our logo was a very nice looking interlocking WM with two small feathers coming up from the M. The NCAA (in all their brilliance) decided that the feathers were "hostile and offensive" and we had to get rid of them. The Florida State Seminoles can keep their horseback-riding Indian who plants a flaming spear at mid field before each game, but we have to get rid of our feathers. The Seminole Tribe said it was okay for Fl. State to use their name. We didn't have a specific tribe affiliation and even though we got permission from all area Virginia tribes, we could not keep our feathers. Kinda silly, huh?

L-girl said...

Gee thanks, Pepe. Way to make assumptions about someone you don't even know. I was under the impression we were allowed to disagree with each other and still be friends. Apparently not!

L-girl said...

I don't think it's silly, Mrs. G.

Amy said...

Yay, Oki!

Hey, did Don say anything about what was ailing him? Was it vertigo?

redsock said...

overly PC white woman

stick to discussing the topic -- not the commenter.

redsock said...

Strangely, Pepe has called not me out for writing what I did in the actual post. ... Being male has many advantages, it seems.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

L- Not silly that a flaming spear throwing man dressed as an Indian and riding horseback is not "hostile and abusive" but two feathers are?

L-girl said...

Strangely, Pepe has called not me out for writing what I did in the actual post.

Same old same old.

Surprised to see that from Pepe, but if he's been observing it for years, he must have been bursting to let it out.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

I'm not married to the feathers, I just don't understand the blatant inconsistency.

Hmmm, I wonder which school makes more money for the NCAA?

L-girl said...

L- Not silly that a flaming spear throwing man dressed as an Indian and riding horseback is not "hostile and abusive" but two feathers are?

Mrs G, that doesn't make sense, certainly. I'd remove both and wouldn't find that silly. I'd remove all that stuff, no matter what the supposed traditions of the schools. That's what I meant I didn't find silly.

But then, I have no school loyalty whatsoever, so it's easy for me, I don't relate to the uproar over changing a logo or a team name.

Amy said...

On the racist team name/logo issue, I think that you can never be too careful when it comes to the sensitivities of others. I personally do not find it offensive that Yale, for example, uses Hebrew in its motto. Maybe some Jews would, though I think the context is such that it is not likely. But using feathers seems more like using an ethnic symbol in a light-hearted and irreverent and thus possibly disrespectful way.

I think it's a tough line to draw. Is the Celtics name and logo offensive? Does it matter whether the group used is one that has been historically oppressed or discriminated against? Would Swiss people be offended by a team that used goats or yodelers to depict a ski team called the Alpines?

L-girl said...

If the Celtics used a drunken man beating up his wife as their logo, Irish people might find it offensive. The native-themed logos generally trade in caricature. The name "Braves" is caricature in itself.

Amy said...

Being male has many advantages, it seems.

LOL!

L-girl said...

Does it matter whether the group used is one that has been historically oppressed or discriminated against?

I think the answer to this is definitely yes.

Amy said...

But are feathers a negative stereotype? Aren't they as innocuous as the leprechaun the Celtics use or the maple leaf the Canadiens use?

Amy said...

I agree---the difference is when the group is one that has traditionally been oppressed and mocked and discriminated against.

L-girl said...

Amy, Allan wasn't joking re being male and comemnts here. We've seen it time and again here. Allan and I will both say the same thing in comments, and a male commenter slams me for it and says nothing to him. Some commenters have completely gone off at me - and only me - when everyone else on the thread is saying the same thing. And all the commenters are men.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

The response from alums to the feather issue has been all over the place. My husband does not mind them being gone at all. He says no one cared about them until we had to get rid of them. I miss them, but don't really care that they are gone as much as I am outraged at the NCAA's obvious favoritism in allowing many schools to keep their Indian references. If they truly cared about the issue, they all would be gone (as Laura says). Then, we have our crazy alums who think we should sue the NCAA and get our feathers back.

I'm glad they came up with a workable new mascot that has gotten a positive reception so far.

Amy said...

Well, at least now I understand MrsGotRibe's name. Why isn't the T capitalized? I never could figure out what Ribes were and how you got them! :)

redsock said...

Yeah, L and I have talked a lot about this. It goes well beyond the fact that it's my blog. (Actually, I'll often post something that is stronger than anything she writes later, but I get a pass.)

Amy said...

No, I knew he wasn't joking. But I found it funny in the sense that---well, OF COURSE, men have advantages. What else is new?

L-girl said...

The Maple Leaf is on the country's flag!

I do think a Leprechaun is offensive to Irish people, but I don't know if anyone else does.

But Boston is the Irish capital of the US. What do any of these other towns, cities and colleges have to do with Native people? I find the name "Washington Redskins" particularly gruesome, given the history of Washington (the govt, not the person) ordering the genocide of said "redskins".

L-girl said...

Sorry, I find it really hurtful and offensive, and don't have a sense of humour about it.

redsock said...

wow - nesn commercial showed footage of fingers and rudi in sox uniforms walking (in fenway?). i don't think i have ever seen that. i know photos of them exist, but they are fairly rare.

L-girl said...

Interesting, Mrs. G. Thanks for the insight.

redsock said...

The idea of nicknames for teams is strange anyway. Why have them at all? Why not call the teams Boston or Florida or Cleveland? Maybe fans would call certain teams "Idiots" or something but it would not stick years later.

Amy said...

I am sorry you are hurt, Laura. And I was not mocking your feelings---it just is so obvious to me that men have advantages, get away with more---I see it every time there is a faculty meeting, and women's contributions are ignored, men get all the credit. In 2010. So it was an ironic "Ha," not laughing at you or your feelings.

L-girl said...

Amy, I know you would never mock my feelings. Thank you. I understood.

I think Allan's observation was his way of noting what else was going on in that exchange.

I hope Pepe is proud of himself, he caught me off guard and made me feel bad. So he "wins", yippee for him.

Amy said...

Well, I know this won't help, but his comment came out of nowhere. I didn't think you had cut him off or been disrespectful to his views.

L-girl said...

Well sure it helps, thanks. :)

It must have been something he wanted to say for a long time. Usually when a comment comes out of nowhere (in person or online) it was building up for a while.

Oh well. I'm ok now. I was very taken aback, but... onward.

Amy said...

Well, also this is a safe place to say things to vent anger you are feeling with those to whom you cannot express anger. Easier to pick on you than a "real" person, if you know what I mean.

redsock said...

Very brave (and mature) to lob an insult over his shoulder as he is heading out the door ...

L-girl said...

Very brave (and mature) to lob an insult over his shoulder as he is heading out the door ...

He is Canadian, after all.

L-girl said...

Nice quick work from Shakespeare

johngoldfine said...

I'm right with you on Braves, Redskins, Indians, etc.

The one I do not understand is "Warriors." Why should that have any ethnic association?

Amy said...

Going back to Allan's question about why teams need nicknames....back in the olden days when so many cities had multiple teams, how would they have distinguished them? Or even with multiple sports. If a headline read "NY Beats Boston"---could be Yankees v Red Sox, Mets v Red Sox, Knicks v Celtics, Jets v Patriots, etc.

L-girl said...

They used to say "the Boston Americans" or the "New York Nationals", but I don't know how far that applies.

L-girl said...

Oh yeah, multiple sports, I didn't think of that!

Warriors, don't know why that should be ethnically charged, unless it's in the logo. Face paint, feathers, spears?

Amy said...

And why the hell didn't I say, "Boston Beats NY"...???

L-girl said...

And why the hell didn't I say, "Boston Beats NY"...???

Hey, YEAH!

johngoldfine said...

Some of the old nicknames are wonderful: Dodgers, Athletics, Phillies.

I've never understood how Yankee (i.e., from New England!) can be a NY sports team name, but that's just one more thing to add to the long bill of indictment against the MFY.

Amy said...

I blame Harvey.

Amy said...

Yankee in the sense of Northerner, as in the War Between the States, aka the Civil War.

Amy said...

One more to go.

L-girl said...

The Dbax must be one of those teams with 42 different uni combos. Every time I see them they look completely different.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Oh, I forgot to count. (I'm not very good at this job.)

One. Two.

Amy said...

My Southern friends in college used to refer to those of us from the North as Yankees.

L-girl said...

I blame Harvey.

Yes, we all do.

Amy said...

He is used to it. It's his role in life.

L-girl said...

My Southern friends in college used to refer to those of us from the North as Yankees.

And my Brit friends refer to everyone from the US as Yanks.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

I blame Harvey.

Sure, why not? He's a man;)

L-girl said...

But is he an overly PC white man? That's the question.

Amy said...

And then, of course, there is Yankee Doodle Dandy.

redsock said...

This overly PC white man says:

"The water is Muddy!!!"

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Three.

DIrty>>Clean

L-girl said...

Don't drink the water!

DIRTY

Amy said...

Poor Harv. Sitting here having no clue we are using him to get a few chuckles!

johngoldfine said...

Yea, I suppose, amy, but to me a Yankee is from New England, and the Southerners were just tarring all Northerners with the picky, fussy abolitionists New England was notorious for.

Amy said...

Dirty water!

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Well, my son and I leave tomorrow for a week of travel to Chicago/Boston. I'll join the conversation here when I can.

L-girl said...

Good night, all. I may be home for tomorrow night's game, too. Yay.

Amy said...

And didn't they used to protest overseas, "Yankee Go Home" about all Americans?

Context is everything....

L-girl said...

Safe travels, Mrs G. Have fun.

Amy said...

OK, good night to you all.

L-girl said...

Yes, spelled Yanqui in Latin America.

johngoldfine said...

I'm not really going to be rational about the Yankees. It does not belong to NY, they stole it from New England, and...you know the rest!

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Thx. I'll get to a game at Wrigley and a game at Fenway.

nick said...

Dirty water! I see the thread exploded since the last time I stopped by. I always miss the good -isms discussions.

5 books in a Wrinkle in Time series? I need to get reading.

My mom's coming in tonight. Her flight was supposed to arrive at Bradley at midnight. Now we're looking closer to 2am. ugh. long night ahead.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Nick, I feel for you. I can't do those late nights anymore. I've gotten too old.

Zenslinger said...

Read the Wiki on the Wrinkle books on what books are considered part of the series and what aren't. The last time we talked, I knew there had been more since I was reading them (the third, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, was the last I remembered from my youth.) But apparently there are others featuring the characters' children but aren't considered part of the series.

I could see Pepe was angry and Laura was hurt, which was hard to read. I myself believe the Indian names are problematic, though I understand changing them would also be problematic.

As for the interpersonal stuff the exchange brought up, the only thing I feel compelled to mention is something from my experience. In the heat of an argument, one of my brothers once accused me of always having to have the last word. This was very hurtful to hear, and his phrasing was far from kind. But I had to admit, on reflection, to some fault on my part.

nick said...

I realize that my last (and previously only) comment on the "-isms" discussion was a bit cavalier and did't adequately recognize that there was some real emotional intensity present in comments here on several issues that can be pretty charged in discussion. I don't have anything of value to add to the discussion at this point, but certainly no offense was meant.

L-girl said...

As for the interpersonal stuff the exchange brought up, the only thing I feel compelled to mention is something from my experience. In the heat of an argument, one of my brothers once accused me of always having to have the last word. This was very hurtful to hear, and his phrasing was far from kind. But I had to admit, on reflection, to some fault on my part.

I guess that's your way of saying that you see me that way - which is fine. I appreciate the insight.

I can see how in a thread discussion I can seem that way, although in person I'm very willing to let things go. I can try to end discussions earlier, not repeat myself. It's a useful challenge.

Going back over the thread, I see that I did repeat myself. That isn't to get some mythical last word, or to try to convince anyone that I am right. It's only because I was still thinking it. So instead of saying to myself, don't repeat yourself, you've already made that point, I just typed it.

I feel no need to always be "right" - and certainly feel nothing like that about this specific issue. I really only meant to continue the discussion.

That's my story. The other half of the story is that what Pepe said has no place in gamethreads, both in the way he said it and his voicing his opinion of me. As I said earlier and will gladly repeat, I'm sure we've all had thoughts about fellow commenters that may not always be kind - but we refrain from typing them, because it's not appropriate.

One can say, "This is how I feel and I don't want to discuss it anymore" (or words to that effect), and that is very different from "You are such-and-such".

Zenslinger said...

Obviously, I was trying to be very gentle. Glad to discuss more by e-mail if you think it could be helpful.

L-girl said...

Thanks for your gentleness. No need to discuss further. I'm all too familiar with my own faults! Thanks tho.